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Bolivia – Should you be afraid of the new Afghanistan?

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  1. Hector.
    November 9, 2013

    Great article, she must have gotten all her yellow journalism factoids from some chilean advisors, they love to rub sand in the wound pointing out Bolivia is a landlocked country, something that they caused by invading the coastal part of Bolivia.

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    • John Leonard
      November 11, 2013

      Yeah Hector….crazy history to Bolivia, losing their coast and then the east part of the country to Brazil. It is easy for people to be lazy and just promote ideas which suit big countries or corporations. Wouldn’t it be much better if people did their own research and proper investiagtion, not just pump out some rubbish which has no substance?

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  2. aleparrae
    November 21, 2013

    dude, if your experience in bolivia is limited to only 5 weeks and the worse problem you’ve had was with wifi… you must be stashed away in one of the gringo refuge places you guys normally go to
    and “let me explain to you that Bolivia” is a hell of a lot more complex than just a “really peaceful and safe country” from where you can “write [whatever] in a cute café, listening to jazz and drinking a frappacino”

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    • John Leonard
      November 22, 2013

      If you have some experience you would like to share about your time here in Bolivia, then I would love to hear it…Dude. “Us guys” who travel the world and visit remote locations looking for stories to share with Western audiences are not seeking refuge in Gringo hangouts. The point I was making is that the reporter was not talking about any facts. I was sharing the FACT OF MY EXPERIENCES. All I have is my experience and knowledge….not wikipedia or US based news outlets. If you have any of your own Bolivian history to speak about, then help me make things more complex and thorough.

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      • aleparrae
        November 22, 2013

        ok dude, first off: I AM BOLIVIAN, not a reporter that comes here to zip frapuccinos and bitch about poor internet.

        FACTS YOU SHOULD KNOW

        1. BOLIVIA IS A NARCO STATE. of course you wouldn’t get this from spending 5 weeks drinking coffee nor from reading it in wikipedia. EVO MORALES IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COCA GROWERS, this is not just a well known fact, it´s part of HISTORY. if you care to review a bit about bolivian history you’d know.

        2. COCA IS COCAINE. the rates of coca production surpass traditional consumption by more than 97%. only 2% is used for chewing it and making tea out of it. 98% of coca produced GOES INTO COCAINE PRODUCTION.(the source are various independent bolivian observer entities)

        3. the current president goes to great lengths of effort to make it look as – not just the usa, but – ANY COUNTRY IS THE ENEMY IF THEY DON’T SUPPORT THEIR POLICIES. our main allies are cuba, venezuela AND IRAN. of course this wouldn’t be much of a “problem” if it was only ideological support. but BOLIVIA PROVIDES WITH PASSPORTS TO IRANIANS and any other ally. again, you wouldn’t know this by just zipping frapuccinos, this made headline news some years ago and of course what shut up quickly.

        4. BOLIVIA IS A TRAINING SPACE FOR TERRORISTS, iranians come for whatever reason… sure, but not just them, the colombian paramilitary movements also come, along with the venezuelan to train the coca growers guerrilla technicks, just in case bolivians get sick of this charade of government and decide to kick morales out. this is their ensuring policy so they can continue with the COCAINE BUSINESS. (the source for this are several newscasts that were aired during the last 7 years, then quickly shut up)

        5. The DEA and USAID have been kicked out, true, but THE CIA STILL OPERATES IN THE COUNTRY and of course they can’t share that bit of news, but they still keep tabs on everything. I’m guessing that’s why she wasn’t so open about where she gets intel.

        but ultimately, I really don’t give a damn about the WSJ nor 5.5 for
        that matter. what pisses me off the most are gringos that come to
        bolivia, have a great time “drinking coffee” (because coffee is our
        greatest product, as I mentioned in 2) and leave thinking that they know it all after 5 weeks.

        I am a very lucky bolivian. I’ve been traveling the world for the past 12 years. I have been living at least two years in a different country in every continent (not africa yet) and the main thing I learned was a) to be thankful to the country that welcomed me, b) respect their people, traditions and history by learning it and most of all c) DO NOT CONTRADICT THEIR CITIZENS AS THEY KNOW THEIR COUNTRY MORE THAT I EVER WOULD.

        IN CONCLUSION

        “[you] guys who travel the world and visit remote locations looking for
        stories to share with Western audiences [who] are not seeking refuge in Gringo
        hangouts”

        -> LEAVE BOLIVIA ALONE: you don’t know my country by spending 5 weeks zipping frapuccinos and web surfing.

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      • John Leonard
        November 22, 2013

        Ok…so your problem seems to be that I mentioned you have Frappacinos available and that I made a remark about your WIFI. It also seems to be that I am a so called “Gringo”, even though I am Irish, not North American. The reason I spoke about coffee and WIFI was to contradcit the impression which the WSJ reporter was promoting about Bolivia being a lawless culture. EVerything I found when I wa there was safe and easy.

        You are extremely arrogant to think I would be conceited enough to say I knew about Bolivia. I mereley talked about my experiences in the country. I filmed a project outside Sucre and we saw some beautiful places and met some really warmed herated people.

        I am glad you are away from your country, because you need to get some perspective. I know Morales position as President of the Coca Association and lots more about the history of your country. YET. You are so emotional you cannot see that I was dissecting the lack of logic in the WSJ’s report. I do not claim to have answers, only an ability to see and read through bullshit.

        I did not contradict any Bolvian citizen. Maybe you should use your logical brain and not make up irrational statements. You seem angry that I have an opinion of your country. But believe me when I say that I love your country and even though you have a lot of rage against me for being there and talking about it, I even love you too.

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      • aleparrae
        November 23, 2013

        oh man… i could answer so much more, but… I’ve already spent more than 15 min on this
        ultimately neither you nor the wsj are “objective” (if there is such a thing)
        both are just pursuing your own agendas using poor little bolivia as a way to present your arguments…. and, that’s the way you guys normally use countries like mine.
        I think that love, as well as hate are very strong sentiments. I never trust people that throw them around easily…

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      • John Leonard
        November 23, 2013

        We could all answer more, but don’t have the time. Hope you get off your high horse and can see the point I was making and not just react with emotion to your own inherited perceived reality, which you read. Good luck to you sir. You should never refuse love.

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  3. Gman
    December 2, 2013

    ohhhh shiiiiiit

    i have an inca flag in my bedroom and i drink coca mint tea every morning,
    and i’m irish , so i must be a terrorist,
    better not grow a beard or else i’ll be on the americas most wanted list in no time,
    as you get the same letters in iran as you do in ireland and must be planning to topple the american industrial machine from the north..
    : (

    in fairness to the two of them they do have their heads so far up the propaganda machines ass its beyond funny,
    i’m sure mr. goebbels himself would be proud of that work,
    and even this mr. adolf piece from mein kampf chapter 6 jumps to mind,
    ” Propaganda must not investigate the truth objectively and, in so far as it is favourable to the other side, present it according to the theoretical rules of justice; yet it must present only that aspect of the truth which is favourable to its own side”
    so they anchor says “so we must have more security at the borders”
    obviously never heard of the conundrum of treating the symptom over the actual root cause.
    and as the famous saying goes, “its hard to understand something when your salary depends on you not understanding it”
    the stats on the $ of security costs per life lost form terrorist attacks would be astronomical,

    i must say i loved bolivia, its a beautiful country and have some epic stories with some amazingly kind people there, and think i was the whistest guy ever to step foot in the place too, ha ha,
    so of course my experience was only ever a snapshot of life in bolivia,
    and as you pointed out john there, it was very sneaky manuevre the chileans pulled to get the coastal land and leave them with being land locked and now leaving them the uneviable comparison to afghanistan.. very inconsiderate of them.

    as the john leopard fellas point of the propaganda machines just self perpetuate their own agenda, and if you arent waving the
    ” i love america, we want to sell you our resources cheap, cheap, cheap, america we love you long time” flag, you are against them,
    hence they got your presidential airplane grounded and searched as they got the european countries to deny him airspace to fly home as they taught he might have had edward snowden onboard..
    if only JFK hadd still been around, things probably would be in a better place,

    that woman reporter should fire her statastition, as the bolivian immigrants to canada are on average less than 000.05% of the yearly immigrants over the last ten years, and that’s with the height of the bolivian immigration to canada,

    and ale dude , your piece on dont contradict a countries citizens and they now the country better than any foreigner would,
    really now,
    i’ll take the northern north america as my case point for two reasons
    A) cause its favourable to my case in point,
    B) its relivant to this topic
    C) its actually two countries, canada and the usa

    i’ve travelled around them a fair bit and i’d love for you to actually ask any locals what is the countries history, whats its background, how did it get to where it is, why is it the way it is,
    cause i’d love to hear your response,
    christ, they even celebrate columbus day,
    they think he was the first person to find the whole continent , and then proceeded to save the locals from themselves,
    they actually get a statutory holiday for his annihilation of the indigenous people,
    suppose they just happened to gloss over that one in history class.
    and the usa has the proud record of having a 100% record in upholding treaties with the indigenous peoples of the land,
    yes a lovely 100% failure rate, and canada isnt exactly faring much better too
    for such “superpowers” and “world leaders” their human rights records on its indigenous peoples are ridiculously shocking,
    its a cold a simple fact that reigning governments self perpetuate the importance of themselves and will try adjust the public opinion of them accordingly,
    no country is perfect, as every government (and power structure) is open to corruption as the people at the top get hooked on the powertrip of control…
    not to be a nit picker, but you didnt actually point out how great your coffee was in point 2, and since i prefer tea to coffee, i have to disagree with you on that one.

    so i’ll have to love you’s and leave you’s

    ale, i’ll send a big kiss and a hug to you,

    dont worry john i’ll send one your way too

    guess i’m frivilously full of love today, dont worry ale, it isnt balls deep kinds love.

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